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		<title>By: Mike Ellis</title>
		<link>http://boagworld.com/dev/confused-by-the-mobile-web-join-the-club/#comment-8662</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 12:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Thanks for your comment, @Sijmen - interesting to hear your perspectives.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My &quot;comfort zone&quot; doesn&#039;t even stretch to web development, to be frank - I&#039;m a tinkerer rather than a hard-core geek - but I do think there is a fairly well-defined divide between those who think about things in a &quot;web way&quot; and those who don&#039;t. I&#039;m not a developer - if anything I&#039;m a user advocate, a generalist who tries to understand how people can make sense of what is undoubtedly a complex environment.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To be clear: I&#039;m not casting any aspersions on either native or web development: if my experience of doing web stuff has taught me anything it is that the phrase &quot;it depends on context&quot; is probably the only &quot;truth&quot; to be had here...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment, @Sijmen &#8211; interesting to hear your perspectives.</p>
<p>My &#8220;comfort zone&#8221; doesn&#8217;t even stretch to web development, to be frank &#8211; I&#8217;m a tinkerer rather than a hard-core geek &#8211; but I do think there is a fairly well-defined divide between those who think about things in a &#8220;web way&#8221; and those who don&#8217;t. I&#8217;m not a developer &#8211; if anything I&#8217;m a user advocate, a generalist who tries to understand how people can make sense of what is undoubtedly a complex environment.</p>
<p>To be clear: I&#8217;m not casting any aspersions on either native or web development: if my experience of doing web stuff has taught me anything it is that the phrase &#8220;it depends on context&#8221; is probably the only &#8220;truth&#8221; to be had here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Wyndham Lewis</title>
		<link>http://boagworld.com/dev/confused-by-the-mobile-web-join-the-club/#comment-8661</link>
		<dc:creator>Wyndham Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 11:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;When you are making your decisions re: device OS to support, the volume of handsets in the market does not provide an accurate view of mobile data usage.  Whilst Symbian has, at the moment, the largest market share a review of our client sites showed that it generally represented only between 0.1-0.2% of their traffic, quite often out performed by the iPod.  Our own view is that unless their is a significant amount of data that doesn&#039;t need to be refreshed in real time e.g. a mapping application a browser based solution is cheaper, easier to manage and considerably more accessible.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you are making your decisions re: device OS to support, the volume of handsets in the market does not provide an accurate view of mobile data usage.  Whilst Symbian has, at the moment, the largest market share a review of our client sites showed that it generally represented only between 0.1-0.2% of their traffic, quite often out performed by the iPod.  Our own view is that unless their is a significant amount of data that doesn&#8217;t need to be refreshed in real time e.g. a mapping application a browser based solution is cheaper, easier to manage and considerably more accessible.</p>
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		<title>By: Sijmen</title>
		<link>http://boagworld.com/dev/confused-by-the-mobile-web-join-the-club/#comment-8660</link>
		<dc:creator>Sijmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jan 2011 13:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;“Arcane IPhone Development […] For a start, the language used to build native iPhone apps (Objective C) is arcane”&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The author has no idea what he’s talking about. Objective-C is a modern, dynamic programming language that has been continuously improved upon in the past years. The iPhone SDK is head and shoulders above the expensive (looking at you, RIM) and/or flaky and incompatible (ahem, J2ME) platforms of the time. The same goes for Android and WM7, they’re fine platforms.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;“this isn’t web-friendly script territory, this is flat food and ponytail stuff”&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ignoring the blatant rhetoric, is web app development “script territory” then? Was Google Docs written by a designer with some spare time chalking up some jQuery code in default.js? Writing a web app is just as hard as writing a native iPhone/Android/etc app.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The author has no right to dismiss native development outright just because it lies outside his small comfort zone.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;“the expense of the device itself, the ‘we’ll have a third of your revenue, thanks’ charging model put in place by Apple, and it is understandable that many are looking to other platforms to satiate their mobile development needs.”&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What a load of rubbish. Would you develop a web app for smartphones without owning such a device? And would you rather grow a ponytail and build your own payment processing system? The App Store and equivalents provide developers with an unprecedented way to easily sell their apps.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The only people I hear complain about the App Store, Marketplace etc fees (it’s not just Apple) are the people who aren’t actually into app development and don’t know what they’re talking about.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To conclude, I’m not saying that web apps have no merit. Instead, with browser technology improving as quickly as it does, the future only looks all the more bright. But this article is not about web technology vs. native platforms – it’s about people afraid to think outside their comfort zone, afraid to learn anything that cannot be parsed by a web browser.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Arcane IPhone Development […] For a start, the language used to build native iPhone apps (Objective C) is arcane”</p>
<p>The author has no idea what he’s talking about. Objective-C is a modern, dynamic programming language that has been continuously improved upon in the past years. The iPhone SDK is head and shoulders above the expensive (looking at you, RIM) and/or flaky and incompatible (ahem, J2ME) platforms of the time. The same goes for Android and WM7, they’re fine platforms.</p>
<p>“this isn’t web-friendly script territory, this is flat food and ponytail stuff”</p>
<p>Ignoring the blatant rhetoric, is web app development “script territory” then? Was Google Docs written by a designer with some spare time chalking up some jQuery code in default.js? Writing a web app is just as hard as writing a native iPhone/Android/etc app.</p>
<p>The author has no right to dismiss native development outright just because it lies outside his small comfort zone.</p>
<p>“the expense of the device itself, the ‘we’ll have a third of your revenue, thanks’ charging model put in place by Apple, and it is understandable that many are looking to other platforms to satiate their mobile development needs.”</p>
<p>What a load of rubbish. Would you develop a web app for smartphones without owning such a device? And would you rather grow a ponytail and build your own payment processing system? The App Store and equivalents provide developers with an unprecedented way to easily sell their apps.</p>
<p>The only people I hear complain about the App Store, Marketplace etc fees (it’s not just Apple) are the people who aren’t actually into app development and don’t know what they’re talking about.</p>
<p>To conclude, I’m not saying that web apps have no merit. Instead, with browser technology improving as quickly as it does, the future only looks all the more bright. But this article is not about web technology vs. native platforms – it’s about people afraid to think outside their comfort zone, afraid to learn anything that cannot be parsed by a web browser.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Ellis</title>
		<link>http://boagworld.com/dev/confused-by-the-mobile-web-join-the-club/#comment-8659</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;@Jon / @AJ&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We&#039;re probably not going to live-stream because of budget constraints but we might see if we can get some footage for people to watch after the event. We&#039;re not 100% on this either, but keep an eye on http://thebigm.mobi or http://twitter.com/bigmconf where we&#039;ll be shouting about this if it happens&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Mike&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jon / @AJ</p>
<p>We&#8217;re probably not going to live-stream because of budget constraints but we might see if we can get some footage for people to watch after the event. We&#8217;re not 100% on this either, but keep an eye on <a href="http://thebigm.mobi" rel="nofollow">http://thebigm.mobi</a> or <a href="http://twitter.com/bigmconf" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/bigmconf</a> where we&#8217;ll be shouting about this if it happens</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Ellis</title>
		<link>http://boagworld.com/dev/confused-by-the-mobile-web-join-the-club/#comment-8658</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Nathan - cheers, your post is excellent. I&#039;ll chuck out some tweets - I suspect lots of people might be interested in that..&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Mike&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan &#8211; cheers, your post is excellent. I&#8217;ll chuck out some tweets &#8211; I suspect lots of people might be interested in that..</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: TIM</title>
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		<dc:creator>TIM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 20:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;We have definitely had to take mobile in mind in the last 6 months when designing sites.  We&#039;ve moved from flash to jquery and from flash drop down menus to DHTML or CSS to ensure they are viewed well on iphone and ipad devices as well as other smartphones.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have definitely had to take mobile in mind in the last 6 months when designing sites.  We&#8217;ve moved from flash to jquery and from flash drop down menus to DHTML or CSS to ensure they are viewed well on iphone and ipad devices as well as other smartphones.</p>
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		<title>By: A.M. Doherty</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.M. Doherty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;A good introduction Mike, food for thought for newcomers to the field and might help them make the right choices.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Push me and I&#039;d have to say the Mobile Web has the most to offer in the long term, but in a world that offers PhoneGap - and perhaps more importantly Layar - we may not have to choose. As browser functionality grows it becomes more of platform choice.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good introduction Mike, food for thought for newcomers to the field and might help them make the right choices.</p>
<p>Push me and I&#8217;d have to say the Mobile Web has the most to offer in the long term, but in a world that offers PhoneGap &#8211; and perhaps more importantly Layar &#8211; we may not have to choose. As browser functionality grows it becomes more of platform choice.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ King</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJ King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the post, but as a Canadian, +1 for streams or at least slides of the UK event. Or better still . . . a North American event!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Cheers!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post, but as a Canadian, +1 for streams or at least slides of the UK event. Or better still . . . a North American event!</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Gamble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Gamble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Mike, I really enjoyed that article. I have been working on a mobile site for a client for quite some time now, and it has been quite a pain. I would love to attend the conference, but I live in America and can&#039;t afford it. Is there any chance there will be live streams or coverage of the conference available for us yanks?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I really enjoyed that article. I have been working on a mobile site for a client for quite some time now, and it has been quite a pain. I would love to attend the conference, but I live in America and can&#8217;t afford it. Is there any chance there will be live streams or coverage of the conference available for us yanks?</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Mike, you&#039;ve definitely identified the problem — not that it was hiding. I wrote a similar but, uh, longer post a few weeks ago encouraging traditional web developers to start exploring mobile strategies. It might be of interest: http://www.fullstopinteractive.com/blog/2011/01/confronting-the-mobile-revolution/&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, you&#8217;ve definitely identified the problem — not that it was hiding. I wrote a similar but, uh, longer post a few weeks ago encouraging traditional web developers to start exploring mobile strategies. It might be of interest: <a href="http://www.fullstopinteractive.com/blog/2011/01/confronting-the-mobile-revolution/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fullstopinteractive.com/blog/2011/01/confronting-the-mobile-revolution/</a></p>
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