I usually try to balance any discussion around these kind of things, as you say we also discussed the usefulness and benefit of using higher levels of abstraction. I’m also very keen on trying to ensure I don’t misrepresent .net mvc as a replacement for some kind of ‘poor’ webforms (which isn’t the case), so although we discussed the issues with webforms we were also saying that webforms is a very powerful framework – I hope that came through.

Totally appreciate you taking the time to comment.

Cheers

Glad you appreciated the dev oriented podcast. You’re right, I hadn’t realised I missed out mention of Team System (I’d even spoke to Stanton about it a few weeks before on Twitter – http://twitter.com/cargowire/status/3283930389). Its omission was purely accidental, mainly down to the fact that none of the speakers on the podcast were/are currently using it.

That last comment reads much more snarky than it’s meant. Pretend it’s between ‘jovial’ tags.

When will the web invent the ‘jovial’ tag?

When will the web invent the tag?

Of course, that’s ridiculous. You know how the internet works through the level of abstraction that you need to do your job. Your job being to meet the requirements on time and to budget. The snobbery about people ‘drag and drop’ and ‘not interested’ is very dismissive and out of place. Include and educate those who might be dragging and dropping now, rather than dismiss and apologise for their shortcomings.

In your defense, you do seem to mention that there is a time and place for abstraction but it is weighed under a recurring barrage of how much better things are if you come from a PHP or Classic ASP background. In the future, please don’t labour a point (which often happens when you have a load of people agreeing with each other). Make the point and move on.

MVC is just another abstraction, like all the other abstractions. You go as deep as you need to and no further because there’s no point.

Just to let you know that there is an open-source URL shortener I found: http://urlshort.sourceforge.net/

I guess it could be incorporated into sites and provide a short url on demand.

I had to stop by and compliment you on an outstanding podcast. I listened to it twice in one day last week – once on the way to a clients premises and once on the way home!

I’m a front end designer myself with aspirations of learning server side code. I’ve just recently decided to go down the .Net route in order to develop a better work flow between my team and that of our own application developers.

At this stage I’ve had exposure to Visual Studio and all of the problems that I’ve come across seem like they might be solved by MVC so hopefully this will be something that I’ll be actively involved in soon enough.

Great work guys and please continue to throw in the odd tech heavy podcast every once in a while. I found this one to be very inspiring!